tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125346319211904763.post2325374109092204497..comments2023-06-07T16:56:10.918+02:00Comments on Full time WoW addict: Being an officer: Optimus styleExanimohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09733030970290731964noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125346319211904763.post-87568630599221373082008-08-05T00:43:00.000+02:002008-08-05T00:43:00.000+02:00Thank you, Exanimo. It seems like an interesting s...Thank you, Exanimo. It seems like an interesting system and there are some parts of it I think I may have to steal :PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125346319211904763.post-57244054209063534532008-08-04T22:59:00.000+02:002008-08-04T22:59:00.000+02:00Tbh i have to read up a bit again on how it exactl...Tbh i have to read up a bit again on how it exactly works.. i helped think of its current state quite a while back but i'm not the one keeping track of it.<BR/><BR/>Every item which drop earns the raid DKP which is devided by the end of the week. Every 15mins in the raid earns you a CP, aswell as every try on new bosses, signing up on wow-raidar.com and showing aswell (negative if u dont show) and u even get a point when u sign up that u cant come.<BR/>So you see, because of CP people who come to wipe night on new content dont get the shaft but are actually rewarded dkp aswell.<BR/>Now in a week where we would only do new content and dont kill anything, there wouldn't be any dkp but since there is i'm guessing we're assigning dkp to not just lootdrops but will have to look into that ;)<BR/><BR/>CP gives more posibilities.. people who can't get a spot in the raid can earn CP aswell for example, IF they show up at the start and are available (to avoid people coming on too late just to go on backup and "farm" CP's). It's also limited to max. 2 nights a week so someone who is on backup more often (prob for some good reason) can never get a shitload of CP, longest nights count.<BR/><BR/>There are many more rules like this which should be on writing somewhere in an enchanted tome on our forums somewhere :P<BR/><BR/>At the end of the week we coutn all the CP given out and find the dkp:CP ratio and give everyone his share. Another advantage is that this can still work for a zero-sum dkp list if required.Exanimohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09733030970290731964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125346319211904763.post-70439209546549762792008-08-04T19:50:00.000+02:002008-08-04T19:50:00.000+02:00Thank you for sharing that spreadsheet, Exanimo, t...Thank you for sharing that spreadsheet, Exanimo, there's quite a bit of information there. So, to see if I have this straight, DKP is determined based on what drops that is purchased for DKP. At the end of the month, that total is calculated against all CP earned to get a ratio of CP:DKP which is then given to members providing the dkp pool for the next month?<BR/>Another questions then how is CP earned? How do you use it to incentivise progression content so people don't just show up to farm nights when they can bank DKP via drops?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125346319211904763.post-6409096049853489062008-08-04T18:52:00.000+02:002008-08-04T18:52:00.000+02:00Another great article.I am an officer in a guild a...Another great article.<BR/><BR/>I am an officer in a guild and it is a huge privilege that should never be taken lightly. Always remember that this is part of the game that is not achievable through the game, like unlocking a quest or a new boss, but because of other real life people who trust you and think you are worth something.<BR/><BR/>losprophet@aszuneChrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11221197150367823772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125346319211904763.post-37680533795576642932008-08-04T17:47:00.000+02:002008-08-04T17:47:00.000+02:00Let me give you the link to our dkp spreadsheet fo...Let me give you the link to our dkp spreadsheet for starters, don't think there is much harm in that: <A HREF="http://www.elysium-wow.net/dkp/dkp.htm" REL="nofollow">http://www.elysium-wow.net/dkp/dkp.htm</A><BR/>You won't be able to see all the calculations in it but it will show a couple of things: <BR/><BR/>-Price List with dkp price based on slot and ilevel (Bow is more expensive for a Hunter then a Rogue for example, daggers are cheaper for Hunters as those are more trinkets. I want to add that dkp doesnt determine loot priority)<BR/>-CP awarded on last months raids, showing both in the raid as being backup.<BR/>-Conversion of CP to DKP on the running totals tab and how that effects each person.<BR/><BR/>Probably has more info for the digger aswell. I'll see if i can get into more detail of the CP-DKP system later without making it all too complex.Exanimohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09733030970290731964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125346319211904763.post-77403073299492152072008-08-04T16:43:00.000+02:002008-08-04T16:43:00.000+02:00Good post again Exa :-)I like to add one thing. Ev...Good post again Exa :-)<BR/><BR/>I like to add one thing. Even tho our dkp system seems ridiculously complicated on the surface, in actual use its very easy to follow. All loot has a fixed dkp price (based on item level and slot), so everyone know how much a drop cost beforehand. DKP totals and loot history are readily avaliable in a spreadsheet any guildy can access, which makes the whole loot distribution process very transparant and fair. During my 1 year in the same guild as Exanimo, I think there has only been 1 controversy over loot - which is waaaaaaaay less than any guild I've ever been in before, be it WoW or other MMORPG's :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4125346319211904763.post-78259376133232453942008-08-04T16:39:00.000+02:002008-08-04T16:39:00.000+02:00Exanimo, it sounds like your guild has put a lot o...Exanimo, it sounds like your guild has put a lot of thought into this. My guild is in a rather tough spot right now. A lot of the officers are struggling to push past Kara and get into 25 man raiding in a more serious fashion while not disrupting the casual nature of the guild.<BR/>As an officer and raid leader, I understand the issue with being "there for the followers" and trying to have organized rules to keep things objective and aboveboard for everyone involved.<BR/>Right now, we use a loot council system for loot on our guild runs and random rolls in 25 man content. I think this loot system is a part of the problem because it doesn't incentivise raiding, particularly progression raiding. Our best geared could easily start into tier 6, but most of our members would be at the tail end of tier 4.<BR/>I've never been a fan of dkp systems, because I think they can form a barrier that seems to big for newer members, or lead to people avoiding upgrades because they are holding out for some specific drop, which once they get, they can use the dkp they have amassed.<BR/>I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind going into some more detail on your CP/DKP system? And in your experience does it work to reward effort both inside and outside of raids while not being a barrier to rewarding newer members?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com